Nov
28th
2015
We interrupt this programming to bring you best pony · 8:49pm Nov 28th, 2015
I still can't stop laughing at this.
As far as finales go, it wasn't bad. Nice to know this basically confirms multiverse actually isnt a thing in the show (unless you take the comics as canon) Handyman is very happy with this.
Also, this has been my week off and I have been spending it Fallouting the shit out of post apocalyptic Boston.
This too, makes me a very happy Handyman
I am kinda sorta maybe definitely possibly have the next chapter ready by Monday I guess maybe, kind of? I would've had it this week but uh, Fallout happened. I might have the next one out this Monday coming instead. Maybe.
Ask me after more Fallout.
I was just looking for what music I should write to...
schedules are made to be broken.
How weird is it that the premise of this finale is "alternate doomsday future" along with the release of a new Fallout game? Hell, you could have told me that final future they visited was the (or rather, "a") wasteland.
Also, one of the worst time travel quandaries I've ever seen. "To save this future, this kid HAS to be bullied, and have their self-esteem wrecked for life. If that doesn't work out, stalk this other kid."
If anyone has links to the episodes hit me up, especially if they have decent compression so I don't end up with a full gigabyte file per episode.
I really need to actually watch this season.
...nah.
3575286 Stop taking pictures of Handyman on his week off Jo, tis rude.
I dare you to try survival difficulty (on fallout), took me two days to get to level 12.
3576839 That is still the most adorable face of extremist egalitarianism.
How exactly? If anything, the fact that Twilight and Starlight didn't return "home" to find an extra copy of themselves suggests that either (1) the spell returned her to her home timeline, or (2) they arrived just after their new-timeline selves left, implying that their previous selves' going back didn't destroy their original timeline.
On the other hand, the fact that Sombra's army was made of crystal ponies rather than disinterred Umbrum is another blow to comic canon. (I haven't read issues 35 and on, though, so I don't know whether they address that.)
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savefrom.net + one of the Youtube URLs from Equestria Daily. I got 172 MB for the full two-parter at 360p quality.
3580568 Its precisely BECAUSE of the lack of alternate Twilights and Glimmers that means it is not a multiverse. If there were a multiverse, Glimmer could have gone back in time, changed the course of events and went to any of the alternate futures herself. Meanwhile, Twi and Spike would have sat pretty in the Prime timeline and nothing would have changed, why? Because in a multiverse Glimmer's decision would have created a different timeline and not affected the primary timeline at all.
Its a reverse of the usual timetravel scenario, where the heroes travel back in time to stop a bad thing from happening and succeed only in creating a new timeline, with the original timeline still remaining doomed and unchanged. Glimmer did the reverse, going back in time and trying to undo a good thing. If it was a multiverse, nothing would have happened or been worrying because the primary timeline would have been pristine, only the 'new' timelines would suck ass.
The two of them kept going back earlier and earlier in the timeline to Rainbow Dash's sonic rainboom event, but neither of them ran into their (from their perspective) earlier selves, which from anyone else in that event would be their later selves. This, combined with what we see from Twi's time travel episode means at least one thing: the individual is a universal constant. Twilight and Glimmer didn't see any other versions of themselves there because in the primary timeline they were never there in the first place. Whereas in Twilight's time travel episode she went back to a time and a place where she knew her past self would be and interacted with her.
What this means is that timetravel is actively consequential in the MLP:FIM universe, your actions actually matter because you are not creating a new timeline like some kind of accidental God, you're doing something much more significent: you're changing history itself. That war against Sombra? Glimmers fault, the enslavement by the CHangelings? Glimmer's fault, the conquests of Nightmare Moon and Discord? Glimmer's fault. Tirek? Glimmer's fault, the Fallout future? Glimmer's fault. Her actions didn't just flip a switch and allow the pair of them to hop timelines like temporal bunny rabbits, she literally killed millions with her decision.
And that is why I actually loved that episode, it may not have been intentional, but it was a time travel episode with some actual weight behind it. Otherwise, if she just made a new timeline where Equestria is in a war of attrition with Sombra, what difference does it make? Just hop on the temporal express and go to a timeline where that is not a thing which happens. There's plenty of rainbows in the cosmic sea if the multiverse is true, who cares if a couple hundred million billion trillion ponies die in countless other timelines? It literally wouldn't matter a good God damn. I sure as fuck wouldn't care.
3577055 My little Marxist.
3576839 Oh the communism thing is more a joke, it anything she has much more in common with the radical egalitarianism of modern progressivism. If she was a radical stalinist that'd be a massive improvement based on sheer hilarity alone.
3576249 No thank you, I still find it challenging enough already. Maybe once I finish the game I'll give it a go.
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3575204 It was pretty meh for the most part.
3575203 Hit up youtube.
3575060 No that was perfectly sound and reasonable, adversity often breeds character and excellence. The show even lampshaded this when Glimmer convinced the bullies to lay off Fluttershy and then challenge Twilight to tell her, in front of the kids no less, why she was wrong for doing so. Sometimes shitty things which have happened int he past need to be acknowledged more than they need to be undone, especially if it helps prevent greater evil down the road which Twilight KNEW was going to happen. And it wasn't immoral because she wasn't actively trying to cause harm that wasn't already part of the timeline, it'd be different if she had to go back in time and create new harm in order to prevent greater evil down the road.
3575001 Heresy
3574984 If there is one thing I can give the Soviets credit for, it was the Red Orchestra.
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1) You cannot defeat post modernism by holding to modernist methods of criticism because then you will only return back to post modernism, you will let the SJWs win and that is terrible. Instead you should hit me with Acquinas.
2) No, because that would mean said continuity bubble would be both A) what I said it was in my previous comment and B) also something where alternate universe can coexist willy nilly without consequence in which case A is superfluous and B is the default assumption. 'Continuity Bubble' doesn't make sense when the entirety of your timeline can be outright ignored by the actions of a time traveler.
3581542 I am not ignoring established canon, I am ignoring the comic book canon. The only show canon I have willingly and admittedly ignored thus far has been the Mirror portal to the EQG verse and the Griffonstone episode (though in the latter category I kind of had to given how much I've already done with griffons, I would need to rewrite hundreds of thousands of words in order to comply with how shit the show made the Griffons and ain't nobody got time for that). The comics may very well be considered primary canon by yourself, but the show creators don't look at it the same way. Its a seperate canon. Or if you prefer MeganMcCarthy's take on it, have a look at this wishy washiness. Based on the evidence presented to us in the show, in the usually multiverse generating shenanigans of time travel, multiverse does not appear to be present at all. Indeed the exact reverse is present in the existence of stable time loops. In fact my ignoring of the canon of the comics is not a petulent rejection of authority. I have no problem with authority, I have a problem with the assumption I have to take the comics as equivalent to the show until stated otherwise, as if I were not a fan of the show if I didn't. That is petulance you can keep to yourself, or do you suggest I am not a Guardians of the Galaxy movie fan because I dislike the TV show based on it's own adaptational canon?
Also the postmodernist thing was a jest. If I was really against critical thinking I wouldn't be in law. I was mostly making fun of Critical Theory (not the same thing as critical thinking) which is a modernsit tool of weaponizing Descartes' radical doubt to question everything everywhere always and forever because power structures, privilege and white male cis-het scum shitlord patriarchy. Critical Theorists hate Critical Thinking.
As regards the time travelling/universe hopping, the reason I bring it up because it is the one conceit I hate the absolute most, but only because it is so uber-prevelant not only in fanfictions, but in practically every show, comic, book, movie, game, etc, etc, etc that ever bothers to touch upon the concepts. You cannot imagine my disappointment when I got through the entirety of Bioshock Infinite and got hit with the Hypertime reality (endless variations x endless variations by a factor of infinity) and that each time my Booker died the magic quantum girl just yanked another Booker from another timeline to toss into the meat grinder. For a lot of people it seemed to be a mind blow but to me it was just a massive cop out and my investment was robbed. I dislike it for the same reason I dislike people who postulate the same possibility in real life: There is no reason there is not a reality that creates a uber-reality bomb and activates it and there is no reason why I should care if faceless Handyman No.45345324526 gets murdered horribly in timeline XKCD-6. Its all very pointless and meaningless, which admittedly would be interesting if someone was using this to write a story with a nihilistic bent.
I believe this is a miscommunication, I have nothing against time travel in a show, I just hate when its present because the above conceit is always involved and robs pretty much every action of its weight in my eyes. In my previous spiels on multiverse in other comments I mention that there very well may be other universes in reality besides our own even in real life (and of course this logic would apply to the verses in the canons of whatever show you like) indeed this is even the case in the show with the Breezies (if you interpret their portal leading to another dimension rather than just another area of the world Equestria is on) or even the EQG. This is not the same thing as the multiverse.
'Multiverse' in fiction almost always refers to the Many-Worlds-Theory of the butterfly effect creating timelines with every single decision and action and choice. This is the assumed definition until the source says otherwise because, rightly or wrongly, that's the way culture has evolved to anticipate it and especially with time travel this is the norm not the exception. Even given the comic's justification of a limited number of worlds (universes) because matter can only arrange itself in a limited number of ways, an admittedly surprisingly realistic limitation, this would not be the same thing I am talking about. The 'multiverse' where new timelines are created is the default norm across all spectra of pop culture, whether this is a mistaken belief or not, it is the normal belief many people believe in when they think of time travel. I was celebrating the lack of this use in the show because it is so rare in fiction that this is ever done.
The idea of Twi and Glimmer's timeline being restricted to their universe requires a kind of ontological concession about time and space being conjoined enough that there is no way one's time stream can be mixed with that of another universe and that possibility I will grant you given evidence based on Twilight's own timetravel episode, that still doesn't contradict what I said, since their time travel, as far as we can tell, didn't affect the universe of the Breezies, or EQG which we know are things in the show's canon. But that fact on its own would not rule out the multiverse theory since it'd still be entirely possible, at least in the realm of fiction, for those two universes to be separate from Twi and Glimmer's while Twi and Glimmer kick off millions of alternate timelines of their own verse. The fact this wasn't the case speaks volumes.
The only reason I chose to ignore EQG canon was not anything to do with the canon itself, I was actually fine with the movie (it was poor quality but thats not to say I hated it) hell I even like Flash Sentry, but I ignored it for the sake of making the story as a HiE more interesting if none of the characters had ever experienced the EQG verse. The mirror is quietly gathering dust in the Crystal Empire, probably under a tarp or something. I ignore the canon of the comics for one primary reason: I have no interest in them and have never read them. I am not against integrating a good idea from them if I become aware of one, (hell, I take enough canon in BM from a fanartist on deviantart, I am not against cross-medium adaption) but to me they will always be secondary canon at best, not primary canon and will not take either equivalence or precedence to the show canon.
TL;DR: Multiple universes is not the same thing as multiverse as it is commonly understood in fiction by both professionals and laymen. Multiple universes exist in show canon. The multiverse does not. Also comics are inferior, tv show master race.
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In regards to Griffonstone, I believe it to be compatible with a griffin empire. While your map is much different than the official one, it's important to note that in the official one griffins are noted as being across the sea.
To me that says that Griffonstone is a colony, break-away kingdom or some such outcropping that has failed as opposed to the entirety of griffindom.
Then again, that is somewhat tainted by my headcanon of griffins as North/Western Europeans, and by extension, Vikings and Krauts and Franks and such.
3581917 Fine, I'm sorry.
Comics are still bullshit though.
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I could be wrong. But isn't Griffinstone an enclave kingdom located within Equestria? Hence why it showed up on the map of friendship and plot convenience?
When I saw the episode my first thought was to the 'free men / free griffins' as they were described in this story, specifically a group of them shouting "We don't need your serfdom. We'll create our own kingdom, with blackjack, and hookers!" before walking over the Equestrian border.
3584372 There very well may be griffon enclaves outside of the High Kingdom of Griffonia. Hell there's even a massive breakaway kingdom directly north of the High Kingdom called North Griffonia. Literally a few miles north of Gethrenia's capital over the mountains.
The problem with griffonstone for the lore of BM is not its location, that could very easily be integrated into BM given I have yet to draw all the maps and there are confirmed to be shittons of smaller kingdoms than the big players around (you even got to see a few in my last bunch of maps) but how it depicts the griffons who are shown to be, as a racial trait, unceremoniously dickish, greedy, selfish anarchistic arseholes without a macguffin artefact for one of them to claim the right to rule (very arkanstone if you're feeling Tolkien, only unlike the griffons the dwarves were fully capable of, you know, civilization even in spite of being a race of guys with overwhelming greed as a racial trait).
Granted I could, with some finangling, just write this off as an overwhelming cultural trait of those particular griffons Gilda is from. Because frankly, as a race, BM griffons do not have those character flaws as a species norm. Same way ponies aren't universally naive and stupid (thats more of an Equestrian cultural trait, and foreign ponies like Jacques think it's hilarious) and to make that a fact requires rewriting the entirety of Handy's time in Gethrenia. If I were to include Griffonstone and then have just those griffons be useless assholes as a culture, then I'd be breaking with show lore anyway because then I'd be making griffons not fundamental greedy assholes as a racial trait, untermensch to clearly superior pony master race.
I dunno, maybe if the mood takes me I'll have Griffonstone in the story somewhere as this minor mountain kingdom somewhere northwest-ish of Equestria. Thankfully I have more than enough griffons to deal with as it is.
3581850 I had no real 'fantasy counterpart culture' in mind for the griffons as a whole beyond 'Everything east of France, North of Italy and west of the Urals with Scotland thrown in for good measure', I try to avoid such obvious comparisons just for the sake of building different cultures. Although that said, there is a very heavy European inspired influence in the griffons of BM in general terms, moreso than the ponies, but a direct comparison would be lazy. Even the most egregious, the Troubadours that Jacques is a part of, are a highly nomadic, gypsy people and not really French at all despite their impossible knowledge of the language.
3584423 I personally put their greed down to Griffinstone being a kingdom that grew out of some POW camp that was created during some past griffin – pony war that most stories seem to have as part of the history lore as a matter of course.
After the war ended some of the griffins decided to stay (or had no real choice if they were branded as cowards, lost their homes in said war or were griffins living in Equestria before the war and were interned there like Japanese Americans were during WW2), And while the ponies allowed it, and even allowed them self-governance after a time, the lingering racial tensions from the war meant a high tax was levied upon the kingdom to stop the Griffins there from ever becoming a military threat to Equestria. (or at-least that’s the excuse the nobility used)
Generations coming and going under that Tax is why they are so obsessed with gold, why they are abrasive to ponies, and why their cultural pride is dependent upon a peace of treasure the ponies can’t take away.
That’s my shot in the dark.
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But Twi and Spike did sit pretty, right up until Spike touched the map.
Is one scenario really that much more common than the other? The Terminator series, Back to the Future Part II, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, Star Trek: First Contact, Stargate: Continuum and Men in Black 3 come to mind.
Nothing did happen or was worrying until Spike touched the map.
Presumably because Twilight never managed to stop Starlight, so there was never an intact future for another version of themselves to come back from.
What does that mean?
Would it somehow not be her fault if the prior timelines continued existing?
Unlike Twilight, who kept deciding to go back in time rather than stay and make the best of things?
It wasn't established that the spell does that; and even if it did, does that really sound like Twilight?
Is this really the first time in the series that Twilight has acted differently than you would in a situation?
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Since EQG is causally dependent on the pony world, that wouldn't make much sense. It seems more likely that Friendship Games takes place in the final, "fixed" timeline; and that the delay in Twilight's response was actually due to her not managing to arrive in the future immediately after her prior self left, and/or due to having to explain everything to her Ponyville friends, and make sure it was really safe to leave Starlight alone.
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...They are? Here I thought that that was a bait-and-switch, and that it turned out that what they really needed was to forget about the artefact and start trying to be the best they could without it (with the help of friendship and baking powder). (Of course, we have yet to see how they've fared since that episode.)
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wut
Between this and the rest of the discussion, I think I may have mistakenly wandered into the wrong neighborhood.
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Actually they didn't. Depends on how you personally interpret causality, but essentially because the first mare-out-of-time (Glimmer) Hadn't done her deed 'yet' causally speaking since her time, second per second, was linked to Twilight's, Spike managed to hop them into the portal before Glimmer tore the timestream a new one. Had they dithered around for a minute or two they'd be as screwed as their friends.
Yes actually, going back in time to try to undo a bad thing is very very common much moreso than going back in time to prevent a good thing. Occasionally you have shows like Doctor Who with time travel as a central focus that explores pretty much every permutation of this trope, but its not something I have a gripe with.. My gripe is with stories kicking off multiple timelines/universes because of time travel, ruins my investment.
Again, see my previous point on causal continuum.
Still does not explain it since these would still be the uninterrupted selves of Twilights and Glimmers.
Causality. Twilight is a Twilight is a Twilight, she retained all her memories, experiences, knowledge and abilities even though the 'proper' past she requires to become the person she now is has ceased to exist, when she entered the timestream to begin fucking around with it she became partially, if not wholly immune from the aftereffects of the changes to the past. This is why the Glimmer we see every time she goes back is the same Glimmer we know from the prime timeline and not one with any kind of alterations to her persona. They were constants so long as they remained temporally displaced. This is a common time travel trope applied to time travelers in a lot of fictions, albeit with different reasons and interpretations. Granted, they could easily remain 'constant' in a multiple timeline scenario (in such a scenario their 'past' still exists, its just in another timeline), but in this case they remain constant because of the temporal displacement itself, cutting them off from the effects of the timeline.
This would be similar to say, a story where someone leaves a tape or other data storing device back in time after they assassinate Hitler and this tape would show all the history of the world had WWII taken place to people living in a time when the war had not taken place. Usually this is subverted in a lot of stories, where the hypothetical tape's contents, and probably the assassin depending on when they came from, to cease to exist because of the actions of assassinating Hitler, thereby creating a time paradox (if there is no assassin to kill Hitler nobody traveled back in time to kill Hitler, therefore Hitler lives, therefore someone goes back in time to kill Hitler, repeat ad nauseam) This is usually down to, I think it was Stephen Hawkings who came up with the idea, of the universe somehow preventing time paradoxes if someone actually did go back in time to change the past in order to preserve the timeline, this plays into how the table was somehow 'aware' of what was going on with the time shenanigans and of its own accord opened up a time portal and stole the time spell, creating a finished, closed time loop without any paradoxes, much like Twilight's time travel episode where it created a closed loop with Twilight going back and warning herself, thereby causing her past self to set out on the journey to find the time spell.
This sort of time travel security would not be necessary in the slightest in a multiverse scenario. Kill as many Hitlers as you want, plenty of timelines to go around.
Yes and no, depending on how you look at it in a multiverse scenario. If a multiverse existed, then technically those universes where those events all happened had theoretically always existed, and Glimmer's actions just changed the course of 'her future' so when she got 'home' she'd go to the timeline that would be the consequence of whatever her actions were. In which case those futures are not her fault... sort of. In another interpretation of the multiverse scenario, where the alternate timeline/universe is created by her actions, then in that case it would indeed be her fault, she'd be responsible for all that suffering. Depends on which interpretation of multiverse you prefer to go with. I personally like neither. If you ever played Command & Conquer Red Alert where Einstein goes back in time and kills Hitler, is he responsible for Stalin and the Soviet Union unleashing a much worse continental war to conquer Europe?
Yes actually, since Twilight is only directly responsible for one of the failed timelines (the point in the show where she tried to freeze Glimmer, Glimmer dodged and she accidentally froze RD, cue the adorable Glimmer clap gif):
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Twilight going back and trying to prevent Glimmer's shenanigans doesn't kill anyone (unless you believe it is in fact a multiverse scenario and Twilight's actions somehow 'undo' those alternate timelines/universe, killing untold numbers of people, instead of just getting them both to return to their original timeline. I have seen a few times where a character's actions can wipe out entire timelines from causal existence, but its usually done from outside of time rather than inside of it) in fact the very worst thing Twilight's actions do is guarantee Fluttershy undergoing a bit of bullying for the day. In a multiverse scenario, Twilight still harms no one, in a single verse scenario she still harms no one... except Fluttershy.
I am not saying she would, I am saying would it matter if she didn't? This is not a criticism of the show at this point in my previous comment and more my griping about exactly why the multiverse scenario is so immersion breaking. And that's because it is the ultimate expression of nihilism in a story setting.
In a multiverse scenario literally nothing matters when you actually stop to think about it. If you walked down the street and you came across your friend who had gone mad and said he was going back in time to help Hitler win World War II and you knew it was a multiverse you lived in, why the fuck would you bother to stop him? (beyond, you know, possibly never seeing your friend again) Because if it were a multiverse, there would be trillions of worlds were Hitler won world war II anyway and there is nothing you can do about that, so your friend wouldn't actually be doing anything other than just going to Naziland #4234523456567.4 for a daytrip. The only good you'd be doing is convincing your friend not to leave this reality, (although if he's the sort of person who'd want a Naziworld, I'd seriously reconsider my friendship), if it was some randomer doing the same, whatever. The show Rick & Morty is actually very good at showing how utterly meaningless life, choice and action really is in suh a cosmic reality (played up for laughs in a Black Comedy kind of way), I recommend 'Rick Potion No. 9', 6th episode of the first season where the titular characters literally destroy the world, so rick just opens up a portal to another timeline, leaving their family behind. In this timeline we see their alternate versions of themselves just die horribly after an invention explodes, just seconds before 'prime' Rick & Morty, arrive, Rick casually proceeds to bury the alternate selves in shallow graves and goes on living his life with the family as if nothing happened, whereas little Morty has his worldview utterly broken and shattered when all the horrors of the reality he lives in dawn on him.
So back to MLP, if it was a multiverse scenario, Twilight and Glimmer just went through all of that for essentially nothing (other than Glimmer realizing she was being a bitch) and those timelines still happen with all their wars and slavery and genocide and horror and nothing has changed about them one iota. Nothing has been prevented.
Getting into that would require quibbling about how much time actually passes in the show, I'm still unable to get a clear answer out of anyone about that. Some people say four years or more has past over the series history whereas others have stated that the first four seasons all happened over the course of one single year. We honestly can't say until we know for sure 'when' everything happened.
Doubtless because of the nature of the show, Pinkie's solution will obviously succeed (because ponies), but in truth they were shown to be that dickish as a species. They were shown as divisive, greedy and uncooperative in the lore flashbacks until they found the mystical mcguffin artifact. Which, despite apparently being nothing other than yet another fancy gold thingamajig, somehow caused all the griffons of Griffonstone to stop being selfish douches, which they immediately reverted to becoming once again after it was lost. It shows us what they were like before the artifact and what they were like after the artifact reverting to what they were before. IOW: their state of nature. Its probably just bad writing, but the Griffons really did come across badly as a species in that episode.
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Pick one.
They didn't dither around for that long, and were not as screwed as their friends.
Not sure what this means.
What would the past "ceasing to exist" even mean? In real life, the past by definition no longer exists, but we still retain memories, experiences, knowledge and abilities we got there.
So there's no actual evidence for your claims?
Maybe it read their minds. It's arbitrary plot magic.
What do you mean by "closed" here? Usually I see it used to mean a loop with no beginning or end.
If the bootstrap paradox isn't a paradox, what is?
Maybe the table just doesn't like excessive time travel. And we've been in a multiverse scenario since Equestria Girls; your claim that there's some vital material distinction between what we see and a "real" multiverse is unconvincing.
Didn't play it, but you sure make him sound as though he is.
It doesn't do either. It creates a new timeline, full of untold numbers of people who will inevitably die, and who'll frequently go through worse than a bit of bullying before then.
She didn't, nor did she have the means to. (If she had had the means it would imply that anyone in any timeline could potentially do the same thing, and no timeline would be safe.)
I generally don't find my immersion automatically broken.
How long do I need to stop?
If you walked down the street and you came across your friend who had gone mad and said he was going overseas to help Kim Jong-un win the war with South Korea and you knew it was a continent well out of any conceivable missile range you lived on, would you bother to stop him?
When you actually stop to think about it, changing the outcomes of wars is different from just visiting places for day trips.
Sounds pretty damned meaningful to me. But I think I'll pass; thanks.
Glimmer realizing she was being a bitch was the only reason they stopped creating new timelines and screwing them up, resulting in all their wars and slavery and horror. (I don't recall genocide coming in; this is a show for little girls.) A potentially unlimited amount of that has been prevented.
What does any of that have to do with the claim that the time travel in the show didn't affect the Breezie or human worlds? Why did you make the claim if it depends on an undecidable question?
It doesn't always.
There are episodes where ponies come across just as badly as a species. They're certainly shown as divisive, greedy and uncooperative in the Hearth's Warming Eve story until they find the mystical windigo-repelling friendship magic.
Broken image.