OH, NO...NET NEUTRALTY!!!!!! Net Neutrality REPEALED?! 12/14/17

Oh boy....
I'm not completely worried seeing as the majority of Congressmen are still for N.N., as well as most of us in America. Still, this is a little scary...

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Comments

[Purple Patch]

Keep calm, mate.
It was a 3-2 Vote in the FCC.
The majority of congress, at the last consensus, still support net neutrality and are against the appeal and internet powerhouses (Amazon, Facebook and Twitter to name a few) are mounting large-scale protests against the repeal.
It's still got a long way to go and a staggering amount of opposition before it starts majorly affecting the internet. While it's definitely concerning, it's not enough to lose our minds over.
Nothing was ever accomplished through panic and despair.
Keep encouraging action from the local government and support net neutrality movements and the damage will be minimalized as much as possible.

[NeoLuna]

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agreed, we have lost this battle, but WILL WIN THE WAR!!!!!!! 9for net neutrality0

[Kikio3000]

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[Kikio3000]

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Yes!

[Kikio3000]

4748877
True, and thank you! We can fight for this!

[Purple Patch]

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Well, you can.
I'm British myself but I like to lend a hand an a comforting word to my friends.
I have total faith in you. I'll spread the word and we'll endure.

[Samuel-Neocros]

I have so many emotions running through me, watching ProtoMario, I had no idea he was in the military! Now I feel that Ajit Pai deserves to be hacked by Anonymous. My great grandmother was Indian, and it’s pretty clear how much of a jackass Pai is.

Hopefully we’ll have another chance at fighting back. I feel more motivated to stop the FCC, We deserved our freedom, we’re not going to let some chairman take that away! Though this is sad to hear that they voted, this is basically Phase 1 of the battle. I will agree with Purple Patch that we must keep calm, and NEVER GIVE UP. We can’t let our fears and despair cloud our eyes and minds, we must keep encouraging action, and Save Net Neutrality!

[KingJoltik]

Yeah...this is just the beginning. Here's hoping Congress repels this idiocy. That and they said they're going to do a case for this, so maybe the Supreme Court will destroy this.

[Foxhelm]

Cheers to the end of government overreaching regulations!

I am not joking. Cheers to the death of a Soros backed means of imposing antiquated government regulations that destroyed tge fun of Radio and TV on to the internet.
Now Comcast will have to compete and smaller size ISPs can now compete. The market has been freed.

The internet can now go back to what it was before 2015, the wild west it is. Cheers.

[Foxhelm]

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Ad hominem logical fallacy. You can't attack his arguments so you attack him as a person. Argument invalid.

Appeal to authority logical fallacy, so what if your grandmother is from India, it has no bearings on the matter. Argument invalid.

Also 'Net Neutrality' means the government could regulate the internet, like they do cable and telephones, enforcing FCC Title 2 on the internet makes it subjectable to Title 3 which enabled the government to wire tap your phones with or without a warrant. Now apply that to the internet. If anything we are now back to tge degree of freedom we had in 2014.

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You fight on a false premise that big government is a universal good. And from a lie, image used is a doctored image of PORTUGUESE internet add-on for more space on those sites. You have been sorely misinformed on the topic and as such 'your side' will loose.
Need we forget that Most of the newer members of Congress came in with Trump, and many still in office were in line with ending Net Neutrality. Also Trump has appointed 40 justices to the various circles and levels of the federal court and likely to appoint more.
This also doesn't address the fact that it can years to overturn this decision in Congress and even more when sent to the court, by which time we will have experienced the lack of the world falling into chaos and more congress personal and jugdes coming in that support removing the federal government from the market beyound the removal of barriers to entry.

[Foxhelm]

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By the time it reaches tge Supreme Court, not likely as there two justices close to kicking the bucket and at least one more likely to step down and at least one of them is one of the far left justices, all will be replaced with right of center justices. #NOT Neutrality is dead and we get real protection via a Constitutionial admendment that declares that all internet access and content on (atleast for US based firms and US citizens) is protected under the 1st and 4th amendments and half a dozen laws that break apart the various local monopolies that have grown thanks to Net Neutrality regulations.

[Foxhelm]

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Why do you think Facebook, Google, etc are in favor of Net Neutrality?
Think it through why would a big company support something that increases regulations?
They wouldn't, unless it would destroy or cripple competition, and or enable them to get what they want from their suppliers for less than what the market would allow if there wasn't a price ceiling. These firms don't care about access to internet, they care about profits, and if they don't have to compete they will provide the bare minimum and if they can avoid paying the market equilibrium price, they use more.
Economics 201, the inefficiency of government enabled monopolies and price ceilings.
Repealing Net Neutrality 1) allows for competition, by enabling smaller and mid size ISPs the chance to make an accounting profit, thus increasing the number of suppliers and thus reduce the price and 2) removes a price ceiling Inposed by the FCC under Obama due to regulation of charges, which allows for suppliers to earn more and thus supply more and thus met demand. Granted demand will decrease, but those that leave only demanded it at the lower price and didn't value it as much as those that still demand it at the equilibrium price. Again Economics 201.

[Samuel-Neocros]

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okay. I was just angry

[Foxhelm]

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That's no excuse to use an a logical fallacy to debate a topic.
I get why you're mad, you have been lied to and lead to believe something to be good and someone with more understanding on the thing saw the danger that it was and took it away from you, and you never got the chance to fully understand what was going on, a parent removing from an infant a toy they can choke on while tgey are playing with it

[treegrowth]

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Okay, let's get this out of the way, I only learnt of this just yesterday and I really don't know all the details.
From what little I understand; the repeal of Net Neutrality might allow Companies to put an entrance fee on their websites, forcing me to pay $50 to watch YouTube videos and other luxury sites as an example. I don't like that idea.

Secondly, it is said that this would allow them to 'bribe' (or something) server companies to slow their services against any independent website, or even prevent advertisement of said website. Wouldn't that be a threat to economic competition?

Again, I literally just learned of the issue just yesterday and only from those who are VERY much apposed to it, and normally they are people that I really trust to get good information (not perfect mind you). Mind if I can get your side of the story, just to help clear things up?

[Foxhelm]

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Since the enacting of Net Neutrality, the ISP industry has dropped 12% overall because the smaller firms cannot afford to connect to several sites because the sites tend to be more than simple text and image-based sites (video is very different from words), now the biggest companies have grown, namely Comcast grew 30%, but that is due to the lack of competition and because it can afford to 1) abide by the regulations and 2) the accountants and lawyers to exploit loop-holes
Another thing Net Neutrality has done was enable EU style censorship of various sites such as Facebook, Youtube, Twitter.
Another thing is that the entire movement is based on a lie people have been told

Another thing that should be noted is mimetics, often when dealing with laws and other government programs benign-sounding names are used to mask terrible ideas,
Examples: Clean Coal, sure there might be less of the impurities being released into the air, but there is still the Carbon-dioxide.
Patriot Act: Has been tyrannical as it can and has been used to deny Americans of their inalienable rights and the rights that the Bill of Rights affirms that the government will not infringe upon.
The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) has caused a nationwide increase in insurance premiums of over 100% in four years and has driven up to a third of all counties in the nation to lose their health care insurer, and in several states, there is only a handful and very likely to have none. And before you say that's because of state-level Republicans undermining it, I am CT, one of the eight states with a Democrat Governor and Democrat-dominated State House and Senate throughout the entirety of Obama's tenure and we have had an annual average increase in excess of 30% each year since it was signed into law.
Also then there is FCC itself, while Title 2 of the code has been more or less enforced on internet in a de facto sense, Net Neutrality has made it subjectable to Title 3, which is why the government can tap your phone lines and such, with or without a warrant, and has led to the 'death' of Radio and the 'dying' of Cable TV. And at the same time enforce antiquated laws from the 1930's that were designed for not dial-up phones you press buttons for but for the old phones with the wheelhouse for their numbers.
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4749440
Thank you, very much.
It's good to know that it wouldn't be as bad as I thought, or could be good to the Net even.
We'll just have to wait and see.