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I quite enjoyed the dramatic irony of Luna being responsible for the very linguistic reforms that would later vex her.
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It is deliciously ironic to be undone by your own actions, long since set in motion, unwinding while you find your way through the world.
One has to wonder if Celestia invented "Fun", too.
Very well done. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have but one complaint. In the ancient english, thou, thee, thy, ye, you(of ye), and your(of ye) were both formal and respectful. A simple you or your was considered very informal (because they were tied to ye, which is the formal plural).
But I understand the place your depiction holds in this story and it is very meaningful, leading me to believe you intentionally chose to do so, and I will concede on that point (though my inner OCD screams otherwise).
Fantastic job.
PS: They never meet Starswirl? Would that not make it an AU story?
There are no words powerful enough to describe how much I love this.
It is a protest to ageism and prejudice in general.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it.
As for you vs ye... I was targeting the year 1600, roughly, with the language use in this story. I took my cues from a few sources and heavily referenced Shakespeare. This was around the time that the "ye/you" distinction was decaying, with "ye" increasingly being replaced by "you". From what I read, in that era, they seemed to use "you" to address individuals, including kings, with the singular "ye" being rarer - for example, in Richard III, Tyrell calls Richard "ye" when Richard employs the royal we, but when speaking to Buckingham, Buckingham calls Richard "you" and Richard refers to himself as "I". This was not entirely consistent; different plays used "ye" more and less often. Henry IV, for instance, used ye quite a bit in the first play (something like 20 times; I will also note that Shakespeare really, really loved the word "eye"), but it nearly absent from the second one, while Henry V only has a single ye in its entire length. It was my understanding from reading works and commentary on usage that "ye" was used to address a group of people; formally, especially towards a superior (but somewhat rarely and inconsistently; in Herny V, for instance, the Archbishop refers to King Henry V as "you", and the king uses "you" in return in a formal situation); and sometimes strangers (the hostess in one scene in Henry IV is inconsistently referred to as both "ye" and "you", for instance). "You" seemed to be used very frequently to refer to an equal in a wide variety of situations, and "thou" marked an inferior or close intimate. Ye and you started to merge a bit before the t-v distinction went away, but ye was still sometimes used for a while afterwards (just as thou and its various forms slowly faded away).
My intention was that Celestia used "you" for everyone to indicate that she considered everyone to be her equal, which would generally be seen as warm (especially by people used to being referred to as "thou") but could come off as a bit arrogant if someone was expecting her to be especially deferential; Luna is far too disrespectful to ever use "ye". If I screwed up with the Circle members, however, that was unintentional; any errors there were made by me. I figured they'd probably use "you" to refer to each other rather than "ye", as they are all associates and that seemed to be the usual practice in Shakespeare's plays for stuff like that.
I am not an expert on Early Modern English by any means; this is all just from the research that I did to try and get it right, because I find the t-v distinction interesting.
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I'm glad you enjoyed it! I thought it was an interesting subject to tackle.
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Well, you've certainly noticed some interesting patterns, but sadly a lot of what was known of these words has been quite lost to modern generations and leads to bad interpretation of old English.
Thou and ye were used more frequently and formally before the 1500's. Shakespeare's work was actually what began to drive a change in the English language towards using 'you' as the comfortable familiar version of thou.
Now what a lot of people don't know is that, just as Latin based languages such as Spanish and Portuguese have a formal singular and a formal plural, so does English. 'Thou' is the formal of the modern 'You', and 'Ye' is the formal of the plural 'you' that we today say 'you all' or 'y'all'. So when you see 'ye' used in old English, it's good to know that it means 'you all'. The source that best reflects this and demonstrates the difference clearly is the King James Version of the bible, which along with Shakespeare's works, helped define the English language into what it is today.
It's good to know you've done your research, and the conclusions you reached in your study are not uncommon. They way you used it in the story also makes sense, and the feel we get from those words (depending on your experience with them) matches very closely to what most understand them to be. So well done on that end.
I love learning languages and their origin and meanings. I'm not sure why, but I take great pleasure in being able to communicate.
Oh hey, look who's featured again
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Oh, hey, so I am. Right in the middle of the night, no less, though I suppose it is always dawn somewhere on this spherical planet of ours.
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I started writing a post about this, but ended up turning it into a blog post.
5255783 This story's so awesome! Can't wait for the sequel
thought I'd add that when it was featured it was the morning here in the UK 
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Thanks! Glad to hear you liked it so much and are looking forward to it.
Seriously excellent work. I'm trying to find something I found especially poignant, but it was pretty consistently enjoyable throughout the entire story.
I really like this story and I'll be happily reading its sequel.
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Glad to hear it!
I'm actually working on the cover art for the sequel right now, and my goal is to have it done and ready by tomorrow.
This is great!
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I'm glad you enjoyed it! It was fun to write, and who doesn't love petulant filly Luna?
5305232 Not me!
Even better!!!!!!!!!! I LOVED IT!!!!!!!
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So much enthusiasm!
Glad to hear that you enjoyed both of these stories; I enjoyed writing them, and writing filly Luna was a joy.
Plus I got to use archaic verb conjugations, which is always fun.
Or at least fun for me.
Maybe I'm a bit weird in that.
5305666 No way are you weird. You seem very strong in character interactions. I myself am one for detail and scenery. Not conversation. I like to learn from people from you!
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Well, you could say that's probably my strongest suit; I love character dialogue, and a lot of my stories are heavily driven by it. It is probably the main selling point of my writing.
I have written some other things, though; Temptation has absolutely no dialogue whatsoever, nor does my short story Wet, and I've written a collection of Buffalo legends in the style of Native American mythology and a well-liked Maud Pie poetry collection (they're about rocks).
I like to try and stretch myself a bit by trying different things; right now, one of my projects is a footnotes/British style comedy in the style of Ghost of Heraclitus or Horizon's 18th Brewmare. I figure if I try out new things, it helps me grow as a writer. Plus variety is the spice of life, you know?
5305839 I know exactly
I really enjoyed sassy filly Luna - she's exactly as I imagine she would have been as a filly: strong-willed and not too afraid to show it. Overall a fun story, and a nice bit of pre-diarchy history.
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Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the story.
Sassy filly Luna definitely holds a special place in my heart as well. And in the heart of one of my friends, who probably inspired the character's presentation here to a middling extent.
I found it a bit hard to get into, and occasionally confusing, up to where Celestia discusses the meaning of Cutie Marks. But then it was glorious!
Owww the burn
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I'm sorry that you found the start hard to get into; it is a kind of strangely written story, what with the Early Modern English and discussion turning on long-lost points of linguistics.
I'm glad that you enjoyed the rest of it, though.
Given that you enjoyed the latter half of this, you will likely also enjoy Dusk, this story's direct sequel.
Thanks for reading!
Celestia...Of all Alicorns and rulers you are the best.
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Gotta love her.
Glad you enjoyed these stories!
Read this over in advance of it popping up for TRG review (and soon discovered I'd read it before, presumably in a write-off). I only found the one tiny glitch:
Backward close-quote.
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Thanks, fixed!
Yes, the original version of this was in a write-off, though this is somewhat different from the write-off version (and, I think, much improved).
Wonderful work, especially Celestia and Luna's dialogue.
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Thank you! I had a lot of fun with it; I'm glad it worked for you.
"It's not so bad," Pilleum said over a mouthful of his hat. "Actually, tastes like chicken."
Helianthus raised his eyebrows. "And pray tell, how do you know how chicken tastes like?"
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*snerk*
I'm glad you liked these, though.
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I definitely did. It's been a long while since I added something to "favorites" instead of "archive".
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Well, I hope I can deliver more such pieces for you in the future.
This was wonderful!!
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Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
This story is much better than I expected. I love it.
This is the Celestia I like. Best at everything, as she should be.
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Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!
This is lovely, and under-appreciated. I'm glad I read your blog post and got a link to it. Looking forward to Dusk!
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Aw, thanks! I'm glad I managed to lead you to it via that blog post; I have a major soft spot for these two stories.
I hope you enjoy Dusk as much as you enjoyed Dawn.
This was certainly an odd story.
Pros:
-Celly and Luna were not bashed in any way
-The interaction between the wizards was nice
-The dialogue was sharp enough and the pacing was nice
-The anti-ageism is appreciated
Cons:
-Celly and Luna weren't bashed with fan imposed personas but the didn't feel like characters, just like two sides of a debate. Luna felt lacking and shoved aside as the whole 'tsk, tsk younger sister' thing so I kept feeling why she should she pay attention to Celly if she's treated (and written) as a bit of a lapdog? She's one of the character's this fandom really has a ton of different views on but this one was rather 'meh'. Celly just felt somewhat polite, but was written more strongly than Luna.
-There didn't feel like there was a good dynamic between them, leading to each feeling vaguely OOC if I were to judge them based on what I've seen in the show alone, no pre-conceptions or fic standards counted.
-Celly gets a lot of undeserved hate (and Luna too) but this line here:
It felt like every 'Celly is better than Luna' who is but a mere child compared to her' piece I've ever seen. I get that younger siblings can, and often will admire their older or more talented siblings but this felt like a forced, author's input statement especially since Celly is a character with flaws and strengths.
-Luna comes across as really dense at times
Hmm. This is way different... Well way longer too. I do much like the best majority of addition though!
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Thanks! I liked the new scene better than the ending of the original writeoff version. I'm glad you liked it as well.
Dusk, too, is much longer than the original writeoff version, and significantly altered.
I somewhat fancy the idea she went sun-raising with just her and Luna, but yea - this is way way bigger than the original Dawn. Though both of them in minific form were poignantly perfect in said smol setting as well!
...Bratty filly Luna is best Luna
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I have to admit, I love bratty filly Luna. I should write another story with her at some point.
7740497 'Twilight, Sunset, Starlight' in which the three of them get sent back in time right during one of Luna's grumpy spells
Love the sisterly bond of the two sisters here.
Especially the topic/debate Celestia had about cutiemarks with Luna. Very thought provoking.
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I'm glad you liked it!
The conversation about cutie marks is something I really enjoyed writing, so I'm glad you found it intriguing as well; it's one of the more interesting world-building aspects of the pony-verse, and I like the idea of them ruminating on it (as well as the characterization which can be revealed by their thoughts about their meaning).