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Harmony Pie


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This story is a sequel to Chocolate Talk


One warm summer night on the castle balcony, Twilight Sparkle must ask Princess Celestia a very important question; the pony she trusts with all her heart. Surely the thick book from the past can't be true.


Dedicated to Nordryd, an amazing friend


Edited by chillbook1 and zdaysavior


Review by Titanium Dragon


Reading Chocolate Talk is not required to understand this story.

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Am I allowed to comment on a story I helped edit?

Too bad, I'm doing it anyway.

Very good read. I enjoyed it a lot. I've always loved stories about young Twilight and Celestia's growing relationship, and this brings up a slightly darker angle that isn't spoken of very often.

lol... sweet and endearing like your others. keep it up! if you wanted, there could be a way to create a long running story where these are snippets. lol loved it tho.

7295404 Not a bad job, but I still caught a number of errors here and there, and a few spots I would have reworded a bit. Otherwise, though, still a nice read, especially when it comes to these "Twilight's Early Years"-style stories. This is a pretty dark one, all things considered, just not that dark.

7295452 Yeah... I'm not exactly what you would call a professional editor... Just something to get better at, eh?

7295472 Yeah, I getcha. Sorry if I sounded snarky—editing is kind of a specialty of mine and I've got quite a resume here haha. I had offered help but I'm kind of recovering from brain surgery... :derpytongue2:

7295496 Oh, not at all, mate. I understand when you do something well and then you watch someone else do it badly... Maddening.

Hope you recover well, mate.

7295506 Thanks. Mostly headaches for now, given they zapped out one of my hippocampi with a laser, but they said it's to be expected. Now I'll stop taking attention away from this cute piece of fluff and say that it was a nice read that definitely could be expanded into numerous snippets, like 7295427 said.

Very well done, an excellent accompaniment to Chocolate Talk (a personal favorite). Although, I would love to see a story in which this particular issue has to be dealt with in the present. Princess Celestia is faced with a new criminal that the citizens want executed, how would Twilight feel now? Knowing and understanding what she does now. Regardless, this was a very sweet yet heavy tale :twilightsmile:

Aww, so sweet and cute! :pinkiesad2: I loved it! :twilightsmile:

This was a Very good Fic, and I enjoyed it extremely. However, the only reason it isn't in my favs is that I felt it could have been something more.
Don't get me wrong, I defiantly felt it tugging my strings. But only do to Twilight asking that spear-pointed question.
The end, while very well done and any parent would be proud of this lesion, it didn't felt that it went as deep as the question suggested to my sadden heart it would be.
I'm glad to had read this, the feeling of betrayal is one of the worst events anyone could go though, and Twilight experienced it at such an young age, I couldn't help but feel the devastation both ponies went though. I was just disappointed that it went a shallow answer.
Just my opinion, no need to great worried that I hate it, quite the opposite in fact. :raritywink:

Canterlot Killer? Yikes.

This was an awesome story. Ten thumbs up out of ten thumbs up.

Celestia, as much as her subjects like to think of her, she is not perfect. She's probably had to do some horrible things, or things others would consider horrible to maintain order in her kingdom and not let it devolve into chaos. Another goodie from you Harmony!

Aw... This was cute. I loved it. It pursued a more melancholy angle of their relationship, and it dealt with it very, very well.
I do hope that there's more of these coming :twilightsmile: They are amazing.

I really liked it. You're probably never been in such a situation, but I've had to explain such things to young children, and this is how it usually goes. I'd like to see this extended- maybe a sequel?

Also, you seem able to find the absolute cutest art.

"I could never hate you, my dear Twilight. Even if you set the whole world on fire, I would love you,"

:twilightsmile:: "I'll have to remember that."
:trollestia:: 'I have a bad feeling about his...'

"This is my land. It's my kingdom, full of wonderful and sweet ponies like me and you. They have lives and families; they look up at me to take care of them," I said, looking up at the stars.

Nightmare Moon: "If they had looked up at my stars, history would have been quite different."

:trollestia:: "I love you to the moon and back."

Nightmare Moon: "Oh, such ironie..."


Good story.
A ruler must do, what a ruler has to do.



May had found an error:

"Do-do you undertstand?"

Should be "understand", right?

Small note: You forgot to add the cover-source.

Ah, morality. Suck a fickle beast.

Rokas #17 · Jun 12th, 2016 · · 19 ·

Twilight scrunched up her muzzle. "And you just went through with it? Nopony deserves that. Life is really special!

So were the other, fifty-six lives snuffed out by lunacy and hatred.

I despise this argument for its hypocrisy. Claiming all life is sacred, but placing more weight on the killer's life than those of his victims.

And so you imprison them until their death? How is that any better than just killing them right away? Either way you are denying them life by depriving them of the opportunity to enjoy it, one is merely more immediate. And no prison is infallible; what if that person should get out, and kill again? What do you say to the family of that victim? "Oh, we could have killed this clearly insane individual who cannot be reformed, but we wanted to indulge in false pride so we kept him alive like a zoo animal instead. So sorry, here, have a basket."

A potentially heartwarming story ruined by disingenuous idiocy. I loved the previous one, but this makes me want to punch a hole in my monitor for the attempt at emotional blackmail to push an ideal based on an illogical premise. Better luck next time.

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Oh, I'm very sorry you didn't like it. It was Twilight that said life was special, and she didn't exactly understand. She thought jail would be better. Which, it kinda is, in my opinion. And the fifty-six lives were from the killer, therefore Celestia couldn't have stopped them. Twilight knew that. She was upset because her mentor killed.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, but again, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the story.

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Keep in mind that, for all her precocious intelligence, Twilight is still just a filly. She's going to look at this from a child's perspective, and children tend to think in absolutes. If killing is wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right, then she's going to extend that to the premise that execution is wrong, without weighing all of the more subtle pros and cons of the subject.

And so you imprison them until their death? How is that any better than just killing them right away?

I don't want to derail this thread from the story, but one argument I've always found compelling is that imprisonment can end if innocence is determined later, but an execution cannot be reversed.

And no prison is infallible; what if that person should get out, and kill again?

In the real world, that happens, but it's pretty rare. It's definitely a consideration, but it has to be weighed against the possibility of executing an innocent person, as I described above. I won't use this space to argue one way or the other, but if we want to go further with that, we should probably take it to PMs.

However, this setting makes that an unusually compelling argument for execution. If our killer is a powerful unicorn, holding her in captivity is going to be very difficult. There's a good public-safety argument for terminating her.

Is any of us a bad pony? What does it mean to be bad? What does it mean to be good? What is goodness?
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Sometimes the simplest answers are the best ones.

~Leonzilla

YOU'RE FEATURED!!

I liked this one.

On one hand, Twilight's convictions come out all twisted... But she's a child and she loves her mentor/teacher in the unashamed way younger children have and so the raw emotional pain of potential separation overwhelms any line of argument. Knowing kids, that's pretty true to life. They don't pursue their agenda in an argument with subtlety. They either try a direct assault that turns into stubbornness or they break down and get too emotional like here.


Celestia's panic I believed. Especially as this incident was awhile ago. We have no indication this happens often, either.

That was adorable.

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You commented on my story! You? Darling, I am honored! :raritystarry:

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Why, yes I am. Thank you

7297487 surprised I didn't comment on the one before

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That... is too cute!

This was adorable to read and it makes me wonder, now that Twilight is a princess, what if she finds herself recalling these talks when faced with a tough decision? I think that'd be a pretty interesting thing, for her to go back to Celestia and bring up these little talks as a way of helping her see clearly.

Hmm...
*Thinks before clapping*
Not bad, not bad at all
:heart:

It's my kingdom,

*cough*Principality*cough*

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What does Principality mean?

I love how simple and straightforward Celestia is. This is a great example of how to write adults interacting with kids. She keeps to simple words and still manages to get across her feelings on a complex subject matter. Good job!:twilightsmile:

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It's a kind of realm that is ruled by one or more princes and/or princesses. It means princedom, basically.

Sorry, it's just always fun to point that one out.

It's not bad, but somehow it seems... a bit unfocused? Like the message could have been stronger.

-Cue music-
Come with me and you'll see a world of sweet a** capital punishment! Where we execute dumb****** that decide to f**** us all over! :trollestia::facehoof:

I'm playing this song off my memory so it's probably really off.

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Yes, I agree. I tried, though. I suppose I wanted to imagine how it would actually play out with a child. Thank you for your comment!

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Darling, please try to keep swearing to a minimum here. Thank you

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It's not a big problem, however. I'm just a bit sensitive to it *shrugs*

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"Probably" nothing. You can't rule without breaking some necks. The fact she managed to keep the kingdom in one piece for a thousand years on her own attests to that. But even moreso the progress and peace everyone seems to enjoy shows she remained benevolent and at least mostly just the whole way through. A feat no mortal was ever going to pull off even for a handful of years.

I sighed, making sure Twilight got a good view of the land below. "Do you see all of that?" I asked quietly, sweeping my white hoof through the air. Twilight remained quiet, although she didn't break her gaze. I continued,

"Everything the light touches is our kingdom, Twilight."

Twilight cocked her head, and gestured to the shadowy, older districts. "What about those dark areas?"

Celestia shook her head gravely. "Those were Luna's domain. They are dead to us."

7298154

Is that from a story?

7298158 It's a Lion King reference.

7298322

Oh. I wasn't aware of that *blushes*

7298326 Eh, I miss a ton of references all the time. :derpytongue2:

D'awww, this was very sweet. :twilightsmile:

...now I wonder if the tale of the two royal pony sisters is also in that old, dusty book? :trixieshiftright:

Children can ask the hardest questions sometimes, and it takes finesse to answer them. It also takes finesse to write about it. You nailed both. Well done.

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Thank you very kindly, darling!

Santa Claws says Celestia is a bad pony and doesn't get gifts for Xmas. Then, like Zoidberg, he gives a present to filly Twilight who is one of only a very few ponies who qualify.

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