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Wow, and to think not two minutes ago I’d been checking to see if you were still writing.
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Rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated.
Also I've been really busy running my new group.
An AU style story in the series? :0
Awww, right in the feels!
That captured the relationship between her and Jet incredibly at the end, with callbacks to Delta and how she and Jet reacted to her pregnancy in the first place.
Also, Jet's attempted dad-joke which self-destructed partway through was perfect.
We even got to see Diz make an appearance!
Awesome Shake!
9161562
Technically all ApoJet is AU from the Space Ponyos canon.
9161580
Thank you. That means so much to me, coming from you.
touching idea, until you realise that apogee completely betrayed his trust, plus the fact that incest generally doesnt result in good genetics
Yay.... the apogee series lives
9161855
Tell that to horse breeders.
9161884
She gave him a res-erection.
sorry-not-sorry
9161888
my comment probably sounded really negative, i have a problem where i overanalyze everything i read. from a casual readers perspective its a touching story, but i cant stop myself from think about all the questionable things a character did in a story.
sorry if i sounded like too much of a cunt
9161893
Lol. Great story
9161893
Lol. Great story
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I think you were right - she basically stealthed him. Flat out did, even.
But the genetics aren't going to be as fucked as you may fear. One generation isn't usually that bad.
Probably scary smart though!
This kinda feels like a weird sequel to all the stories out there. Delta was kind of coming around, dizzy had kind of a thing for apogee even if it was a little unrequited, and even apogee's reasons for being an astronaut seemed to be a bit different from just some extravagant play at escapism.
It feels like this one kinda over simplified the backstory that was being woven and wrote out a lot of the hard emotions and more serious themes (which is really saying something about a story that just had a young adult mare give up her career in space for and incestuous relationship and pregnancy). It seemed like whatever was going to happen, it was going to rip hearts from chests in a display of serious consequences yet somehow the world moves on and they would pick up the pieces together.
This kinda plays at that but it also kinda shoves it all off screen as some future event and delegates most, if not all supporting characters to the sidelines, as if they didn't really matter beyond a plot device. That last bit was strangely the most off putting. Normally, how others react to this strange, out of control relationship rooted in taboo (or at least how they misinterpreted it) is a cornerstone of the story but here it's just kind of a side note.
Well, This is going to need a rather interesting call to Diamond Gavel.
ooh, another Apogee fic
i like it a vary sweet story with a happy out cum.
Story of these two still makes me sick.
All it seems to do is glorify all the worst shit in the world.
Seriously, she tricked a guy into getting her pregnant under false pretenses, then manipulated him around to let her keep it. Even if it weren't her father, this is literally one of the worst things a girl can do, and I've seen it twice in real life to know how fucked up it is.
I really, REALLY hope someone does a proper tragic ending one day for this pair.
The foal is born disabled or something. Maybe they get found out, and get properly shunned. Shit, I'd be okay with Apogee dying in childbirth; one less psycho in Equestria.
9162571
100% agree
Mhm. Not even close to the "worst shit in the world".
Now you're just hatin' on wincest. Don't read it if you don't like it ;)
oof this was a good read, it was hot but the feels were stronger. very sweet, sad, happy, scary, hot, very scary, and a good and beliavable sequel to the apojet stories. awesome work 👏
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Thank you!
9162571
Says the person who types:
Nice opinion there, mate. Real nice.
9162593
It's called bad people getting what they deserve. Or ponies, as the case may be. These two ponies are both disgusting, and all this entire series has done from the start is deny that.
They get found out twice, and how is the reaction? One is perfectly fine and supportive, and the other goes a step further and joins in. Jet is the ideal example of what should be a monster of a father, and yet he's championed instead.
9162581
There's a reason wincest rarely goes beyond one-shots, because the long-term consequences tend to not be pretty.
Or at least, they shouldn't be.
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I intended to write this as a one-shot for the series at the behest of Clopficsinthecomments and several others that wanted to see my contribution to the series.
I wanted to acknowledge the (awesome) backstory, but for the sake of scope, I really wanted to just limit it to the two of them. The result was, yes, an (admittedly) oversimplified backstory. And regarding Delta, Dizzy, and Apogee's "escapism", I can only point at the AU tag. Again, at nearly 8k words, I didn't want to get into the complicated nuances of the entire established canon. I realize this sells some (really great) characters short. But they were never planned to be a focus here. Of what was mentioned, it was only for what was pertinent to this story.
There have been so many stories about that. (Some of them by me). Again, that just wasn't what I wanted to do with this one. In fact, all the points you make are really good. And I'm not disagreeing. I just wanted you to know that I wan't unaware of these issues as I wrote this, and had my own reasons for tackling this story as I did.
9162612
When I see human beings say stuff like this, wishing something horrible on an unborn being for no fault of their own,
You need to take that judgmental pendulum, swing it back the other way, and take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror.
9162623
It doesn't matter if what I say is evil, it doesn't subtract from the fact that I'm also right about Apogee and her father being pieces of shit that need to be knocked down from their happy lives for once. If you insist on not letting this garbage story die and idiots keep contributing to it, it's the least you could have done.
If someone who does heroine tells another not to smoke cigarettes because they're unhealthy, does the hypocrisy make their opinion invalid?
Apogee and her father are wrong, nothing I say, no amount of bile and hate, will ever change that.
How about you address that instead of trying to say I'm wrong because I'm pissed off and hate what you've written?
9162612
You're christian aren't you? ;)
9162623
Don't feed the troll ^^
He wants attention to ventilate his hate. Just ignore him.derpicdn.net/img/view/2012/8/20/78674__safe_edit_edited+screencap_screencap_twilight+sparkle_applebuck+season_ancient_apple+tree_artifact_brony+history_frown_glare_image+macro_love+an.png
9162631
Neither a Christian or a troll. A troll does not mean what they say and only presents opinions that they know will disrupt and offend a community or person(s). They don't have any emotional investment in what they put forth.
I am legitimately angry that this shit show has gotten, what? Six installments, and yet, it's just more of the same garbage over and over, No one wants to address any serious repercussions that would and should arise in the story, and instead just keep pushing this sappy bullshit.
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Uh, it kinda does. You have a right to your opinion, so I'm not going to tell you "you shouldn't write that", even if you seem to have no problem with that stance. But in any case, it does demonstrate the quality of your character.
You seem to be confusing facts with opinions there, mate. You shouldn't do that. It makes you look ignorant.
Actually, why don't you do that. Write a revenge-story out of spite about Apogee dying during childbirth to her handicapped foal, "because that's what they deserve". Let me know how that turns out for you.
I think it kinda does.
I'm addressing the fact that you came here, and read this, when you have already stated,
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You took the time to come here, say some seriously awful things. Not just criticizing the story, but just awful in general. I simply can not fathom the motivation of a person that does this sort of thing and can say that stuff. But I'm not the sort of person that would ever wish something like that on anyone, even if,
All I will say is,
~ "May your life be as pleasant as you are." ~
9162644
It kinda doesn't. What's wrong with you? If Hitler told you not to kill people, would you say, "Nah, you're evil and thus everything you say must be wrong. Im'a go kill people right now since it's the right thing to do."
And I read the story out of hope that someone would finally give it some sort of good conclusion. Shit it didn't even need to be sad. It could have been someone, either of them, finally doing the right thing and ending the relationship.
It could have been like the dad said and Apogee finally meeting someone else and the incestuous relationship ending on good terms, but nope, we get this instead.
Every time someone continues the story in this vein, it ruins any hope that, perhaps after that last story, things finally went right.
Also, seriously, you think me wishing ill on FICTIONAL CHARACTERS reflects poorly on my person? Are you kidding me? I would never harm or wish harm on a real, breathing being, but this is different. From my stance, you are doing real, tangible harm to the world with this story as you romanticize something truly ugly and dangerous. The relationship between Apogee and Jet is bad. It should not be condoned. Simple as that. If such things are left to simple erotica, of only the taboo, SEXUAL nature of the act, that's one thing, but this entire series has been pushing ideas that such a relationship can work beyond that. This is taking incest out of the bedroom and bringing it into the domestic, and still painting it with rainbows.
So here's my pretentious little last bit:
~I think you are wrong, but you clearly will never see things from my perspective so, see'ya.~
9162668
Wow. Now you are not only intentionally misinterpreting me, and blatantly misquoting me. ^
I never said that 'hypocrisy changes facts.' You asked, (and everyone can plainly see)
To which I replied that I think I kinda does.
Then you flew into invoking a Hitler argument:
Really? This sort of gross over-generalization is your ace-card in this argument? Are you so ready to abandon reason?
APPARENTLY!
You are literally contradicting yourself within your own paragraph. You claim out of one side of your mouth that it's okay for you to say of fictional characters:
You have the sheer gall to say to me, of writing about a happy, consensual relationship for the very same FICTIONAL CHARACTERS:
Really? Really!? It's okay for you to do that, but not me? It's okay for you to judge ME about the very thing you are coming at me with? That is the very definition of hypocrisy! And while, it doesn't change facts, I do think it invalidates your opinion. It's not a matter of me seeing things from your perspective. If your going to try to argue, get a clue.
Or get bent.
I honestly don't care at this point.
9162680
You make no sense.
You literally keep saying that being a hypocrite invalidates facts, then saying you didn't say that. I re-read what you say, and that's all I keep seeing, and yet, we apparently see different things.
I guess I just can't understand you.
You say I intentionally misinterpret it, but it's not intentional, it's just how I read it. How else can one interpret "I kinda think this thing" as anything other than saying "I think this."
Also, "Consenting" is pretty loose here. It started with her guilt tripping him into sex, then guilt tripping him into the Tuesday thing, then trapped him with a baby and guilt tripped him into having it.
His resistance may have been a token gesture, but she refused to respect it at every turn.
I'd say consent was muddy from the start.
9162691
Nowhere.
Nowhere in the entire (plainly visible to everyone here) history of this exchange do I make that claim. I will not tolerate you falsely putting words into my mouth. This is worse than name-calling.
Ah, a circular argument.
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There's no difference between those two things.
MY point is that there IS a big difference between my expressing my opinion that:
"I think that hypocrisy invalidates opinions"
and stating as fact:
As for:
I'm not gonna argue this point. It has been brought up before here in the comments already, and it is something that I've acknowledged. So yes, you're correct about that. But that doesn't excuse the manner in which you've conducted yourself.
9162699
i know i shouldnt butt in but is everything alright? (by the way love your work)
9162699
Ah, I see, it's because I used the word opinion initially instead of fact as if they are interchangeable. Here, what I meant to say when I typed it out is:
Does someone being a hypocrite make their correct opinion invalid.
See, my initial example:
Now, in this case, I'm saying that cigarettes are bad for your health, which is an undeniable fact. Then I'm adding the stipulation that the person saying it does something far worse for their health.
You responded as if you think that, yes, because of the source being hypocritical, it changes the facts.
9162710
My opinion that hypocrisy invalidates opinions, even if the opinion is about a true thing, doesn't change facts like "cigarettes are bad." Your leaping assertion that I claim that "hypocrisy invalidates fact" was blatantly false. The manner in which you presented your argument hypocritically takes away from the points you are trying to make, even if they are correct. And the manner in which you conducted yourself as a person, takes away from the opinion that others will have of you, personally.
9162714
Sorry if you're the kind of person who picks apart every sentence and word choice to tear down arguments instead of responding to the clear intent of what's being said. I'm also sorry you'd rather dance around instead of just addressing the issue I had in the first place. Things would have been done by now if you'd done that.
I'm saying I think incest of this kind is bad.
I'm saying this story is bad for how it portrays it.
I'm saying such a series of choices made by the characters should have negative repercussions.
Nothing else matters. That is all I expect you to respond to. Nothing else. No attacking of my morals, no defending of your own. Just these points.
Cut. Dry. Simple.
9162668
The way you're going about it does, yes.
You sound as if you'd do exactly that, yes.
Further down you said you've experienced something like this twice in the real world - I guess that's why you're coming across the way you do: badly triggered, disturbed that someone would write a positive story about something you abhor and feel should be punished and absolutely sincere in doing so. I don't know you. But that's what you come across like to me.
You'd better vent your anger at bookstores selling thousands of novels by established authors that deal with the same kind of stuff without the trigger warning in the description on the back of the book. I've been disgusted by quite a few books halfway through, regretting I paid money for them. One little fimfic does not cause damage in the real world, especially in an area that is so complex and dependent on a multitude of social variables interacting. That's ridiculous.
I must say I cared a lot more about your comments than the fic.
9162722
Okay then.
That's okay. You're allowed to think that.
You're allowed to have that opinion. That doesn't make it fact.
As I said before, go for it. You're an author. You can do that. Be the change you want to see in the world.
9162616
I'm not too upset by it and i know some of them were written by you and really well at that. No hard feelings here. I guess i was more interested in figuring out why you went this direction with it knowing that you had added such interesting perspectives in the past. The AU tag kinda didn't warn me this was considered non-canon to the main group of stories since i generally considered the main apogee canon a little AU to begin with even though technically it never broke show canon by changing the events of the show. Pony space programs and the setting of las pegasus are generally a grey area in the show to begin with (not even sure it's on the official map of Equestria but I'd have to check).
All that said, I'm a bit relieved you aren't considering this to be the actual end result of the story. I would love to see more stuff from you that hints at a more satisfying end for all involved if you so choose to write it. Few stories scratch that itch for meaningful stories of taboos and the challenges ponies doing them face, even with the best intentions.
9162441
"Diamond? I'm going to need you to set up a college education trust fund for my grandkid..."
"Huh? Apogee is... So close to her space flight... Oh."
"...I'm sorry"
"...we'll get better tax advantages setting it up as a trust for a child instead of a grandchild."
"..."
"And I'll get started on a contract to study the effects of pregnancy on mares in space, it'll cost us a ton... But you won't say no, will you?"
"Thanks, Diamond."
Came for the story. Stayed for the comments. Both are equally enjoyable. Thanks for the wonderful fiction that is totally fictional and hurts nobody.
9162722
Gonna pop my two cents in here cuz I feel responsible weirdly.
Hey.
I also think real incest is bad.
I also think this situation would result in horrible outcomes.
I also think that intentionally engaging in pregnancy without or against the intention of the partner is wrong.
I wouldn't be opposed to an interpretation that goes grimdark (not the death in childbirth stuff though... that's just... what's wrong with you dude?).
Buy what the hay is up with your reaction here?
Apojet is like a raunchy, campy sitcom. We bend the rules and ignore all sorts of real-world impacts! It's called fiction, dude!
I agree with Shake and the others in the thread here... Commentary and feedback is one thing, but you're going too far. Hope you're OK personally!
I found this to be a bit of "what if" funny moment.
Dizzy would return after hearing that.
"Did somepony said they wanted another foal?" said Dizzy
"Not now," said Apogee *whispers to Dizzy* "Maybe later"
Really good work and I do hope that there may be a sequel in the future.
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9162791
> Apogee still gets to go to space
> best ending
9162882
heres a question if someone doesnt like something why do they insist on either looking at or reading it anyway sometimes i look through a comment section before reading a story and now by reading that jet was being guilt tripped the whole story i dont want to read it however i still like this couple i will continue to read stories and look at pictures of these two not go on a 6 post rant about how incest is bad or something i dont know what his point was
9163002 I honestly don't know some times.
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Haven't read it yet, but I'm going to start now. Good to see you joining the ranks of Space Ponyos.
Edit: Uh... huh, that was... something. Good grammer, good descriptive writing. It was alright.